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02-08-2010, 12:19 PM
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NFL: Goodell says 3-point stance under review - The Denver Post
What's up with this? By Super Bowl 50 we'll be playing flag football with Nerf balls.
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02-08-2010, 12:26 PM
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it's because they keep trying to promote offense and their babyfaced qbs. |
02-08-2010, 12:32 PM
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it's because they keep trying to promote offense and their babyfaced qbs.
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Huh?
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02-08-2010, 12:35 PM
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Huh?
| 3 point stance is what freeney uses to get to the qb.. am i right? or am i thinking of somethign completely off base.
since the 3 pt stance helps defenders passrush, it allows them to get to the QB quicker lowering defense. |
02-08-2010, 12:50 PM
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I am mixed on this, I don't like big changes in sports but I have read lots about football and hockey players and the head injuries they receive during their playing days. The problem is we are not seeing what is happening, alot of the effects of head injuries happens after a player retires and out of the limelight. The autopsies being done on players that dies at an early age (40 -55) show major brain dysfunction and serious scaring on the brain itself. It is proven it has been caused from repetitive blows to the head during a player's career. Remember, everytime you are hit on the head no matter how hard it is, it is considered a concussion, obviously there are varying degrees but when your brain it rattled in any form, it is a concussion. And when it does, your brain goes into immediate crisis and protects itself, mostly it will swell and fill with fluid, they say this is what is causing the scaring.
According to the studies, hockey player than football players are the most likely to receive the most concussions while playing. The aftermath or down the road of a player's life has been horrifying. Serious depression that can not be controlled or helped like someone with normal depression can because the brain has been injured beyond repair, it won't respond because it is dead or damaged. Then of course there is the old suicides, unable to take care of themselves or plan old simple dropping dead at an early age.
Lets face it and especially in hockey, players are faster, stronger and way more athletic than they used to be, when they hit like in football or hockey, the hits ain't like your grandfather's tackles or checks, it is mush more devastating. NHL players used to not wear helmets but there are way more head injures now than in the 70s or earlier and it is not from not being able to diagnose a head injury, it is from the amount health issues retired players are now facing as opposed to what older retired players are facing.
Like I said I hate major changes in sports but they have to think of something.
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Originally Posted by S2000ManiaC |
3 point stance is what freeney uses to get to the qb.. am i right? or am i thinking of somethign completely off base.
since the 3 pt stance helps defenders passrush, it allows them to get to the QB quicker lowering defense.
| It's also the stance most offensive linemen and tight ends take. It simply when you have both feet and one hand on the ground. It might affect defensive lineman more as the ends put more weight on that hand then the offensive lineman, but I think it would severely hinder o-lineman as well. Would be bad all around.
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02-08-2010, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by gco211 | |
It's also the stance most offensive linemen and tight ends take. It simply when you have both feet and one hand on the ground. It might affect defensive lineman more as the ends put more weight on that hand then the offensive lineman, but I think it would severely hinder o-lineman as well. Would be bad all around.
| I think it would be a game-destroying rule. You cannot change something that's been fundamentally taught to football players for decades. The effects of this would be devastating, not only in the NFL, but in NCAA and high school football as well. I was shocked to hear that they were even considering it.
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That is absolutely embarrassing. That would reduce sacks by a lot. When a D-Linemen can blast off the line low like that, it makes it harder for the O-Lineman to guard him. Is a Four Point stance off limits too?
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02-08-2010, 01:49 PM
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That is absolutely embarrassing. That would reduce sacks by a lot. When a D-Linemen can blast off the line low like that, it makes it harder for the O-Lineman to guard him. Is a Four Point stance off limits too?
| I'm sure that it would be. The overall concept here is to keep people in a two point stance (standing up) that way their helmets aren't as likely to collide. Like I said, I think it would be a game-destroying change. The whole concept of blocking would be completely different. Imagine goal line offense/defense where the linemen on both sides are standing straight up.
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Originally Posted by MFootball | |
I think it would be a game-destroying rule. You cannot change something that's been fundamentally taught to football players for decades. The effects of this would be devastating, not only in the NFL, but in NCAA and high school football as well. I was shocked to hear that they were even considering it.
| You're completely correct that it would destroy the game, but I doubt they're actually considering it. It seemed like an off hand remark by Goodell where he just meant that they're not ruling out anything. You know, a "We'll do whatever's best for the player" type remark, where he's only saying it because it sounds better than "no, this rule is more important than our players' health."
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02-08-2010, 04:36 PM
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If plays don't want to take the risk of getting hurt, they can always you know, find a day job like the rest of Americans.
I feel bad for older players who didn't make boats loads of money and gave their lives to the game. However, the players today make mint for playing a game.
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02-08-2010, 07:20 PM
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Why not just cut the field in half, put a big net behind the goal post and allow the offense to send players in motion toward the line of scrimmage.
What a fucking joke. I was so hoping that they'd come to their senses and actually put something in place to help the defenses during this offseason.
They're really going to ruin the game, aren't they? |
02-08-2010, 08:21 PM
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Fuck That on a number of levels...
I cant even imagine how bad the oline and dline play would become... The very first thing any lineman, hell any football player for that fact is taught is to stay low gaining leverage over your opponent. When we do our walk threws before a game everybody is in a 2 pt stance because its simulated contact...
Most levels of football from high school up imploy there offensive tackles in a 2 pt stance these days. Having the guards as well would be crazy... The only thing they would be able to do is pull or trap faster... Having players standing up may or may not reduce the risk of head trauma, but im sure it would bring the lower body injury IE: BLOWN KNEES to a whole new level... In a 3 pt your first contact is wioth your upper body, in a 2pt you have to step first exposing the legs...
Trying to picture it... It would look nuts and has to be something the league is doing to help the offenses again... Crazy R.Ryan the Browns DCord used a "Walk up" defense against the steelers this season that had only 1 lineman on the field over the nose in a two pt stance... Everybody else was standing up and moving at the snap... ALOT of spread teams use lineman in a 2pt because there either pass blocking and it helps them get into there sets, or there pulling and again being up helps get them out quicker...
If this were to happen it would completely change the way the game is played, taught by coaches, and thetype of personal needed. You could lineup 6 TE's and a center across the line if your not looking for that explosion and push that a down 350 lb man brings. You would instead have a 260 lb man pulling and going to the second and third levels more quickly... Video Game crap...
Theres a definate problem that is growing rapidly... A good percentage of college players really dont fit the NFL game today... College teams are running 5-2 defenses and spread offenses while the NFL wants 3-4 guys and West Coast Offense types... This could be another way the NFL tries to make the game more exciting under the rouse of Safety...
I've actually been to a few conferences on Head Injurys and doctors regularly tell under 18 leagues and teams to make it a rule that they must have atleast 3-4 down lineman on defense, and atleast 5 on offense... ALL down... If the technique is correct, your arms and hands should be way out ahead of your helmet... They also tell these leagues to use a 1 yrd safety zone... the defensive line has to be 1 yrd off the ball... |
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I won't watch the NFL if they ban it. That is something that would push me away from the game.
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02-09-2010, 06:43 AM
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I am eagerly looking forward to 300+ pound linemen engaging in "tickle fights" upon the snap of the ball in the near future. |
02-09-2010, 07:22 AM
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Soon, this will be their required jock strap... 
I'm very sorry if the image is considered way out of line, by the way.
If they eliminate the 3 pt stance, they won't get rid of the 4 pt stance because it's considerably safer. With both hands down, the weight is distributed more evenly, eliminating much of the burst off the line because it's harder to get up and go after the snap.
The problem with the 4 pt stance? I feel that you'll see A LOT of neck and leg injuries because of players not being able to get up as quickly.
The benefit of a 4 pt stance? Defense will be WAY up, especially the 3-4. With lineman taking longer to get up and get going, guys like Demarcus Ware are just going to tear things up more and you'll see the sack record being broken.
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i think they should just make lineman wear those inflatable sumo suits.
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I can see their reasoning for making this rule, but I am not 100% behind this without them trying to look at helmets first. I can not believe that in this day and age we cannot create a better helmet technology to combat concussions.
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02-09-2010, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by robdog | |
I can see their reasoning for making this rule, but I am not 100% behind this without them trying to look at helmets first. I can not believe that in this day and age we cannot create a better helmet technology to combat concussions.
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Ive been to the Riddell place having been with a league that purchased $40,000 worth of "Revolution" Helmets in 07... Heres there stance on there product and its effectiveness on concussion prevention... Riddell - Protect. Perform
Next Generation Helmets... The Next Generation? - Interactive Graphic - NYTimes.com
Not sure why these were scrapped, best Helmet ive seen yet...
Back to riddell... It is legend here that my son did split a brand new revolution helmet in two places along the sides in 08. Try getting a kid to not get a big head with that... Of course i know this had to be a factory defect that slipped through... It didnt help though that the Helmet made it through the first seaon with no problem... Some have seen the youtube of him, he was a MLB that read a screen that the RB had to take with his back to the defense, when the RB caught the ball and turned, the MLB had about a 12 yard sprint on him and went facemask to facemask... Penalty called, helmet of the RB split in two places, one on each side...
Riddell sent 6 reps out to the practice field 2 days later... Took the helmet like it was a Top Secret Missle launch code or something... |
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The bigger problem than helmets IMO, is the number of guys who don't wear mouth pieces.
It's been proven that wearing a mouth piece will help absorb the shock and lessen the impact.
Now, that likely doesn't help with the types of impacts that lineman get, but it'll help WRs/RBs/LBs/DBs etc.
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