Pondering--BCS fallout and coaching news

[egghead]

This season is so crazy---that if it lasted another couple weeks Notre Dame would get back into the BCS picture :shock:

This year there should be no national title game---just the best of the rest

and OSU----they found the last chair when the music stopped---and have no more right for the championship than Kansas----Oh well

but this is what it will look like according to two BCS guru's

Ohio State Vs LSU

Why LSU--
LSU blew out Virginia Tech and is behind LSU in the Harris and close in the coaches
LSU crushed Tennessee who blew out Georgia--and the coaches will not vote a team who did not win the conference little alone the East ahead of the conference championship

as for Oklahoma--the computers hate them after their loss to a 6-6 Colorado
and USC has the worse loss to a horrible Stanford

so

Rose Bowl--USC Illinois
Sugar-Georgia Hawaii
Fiesta-Oklahoma West Virginia
Orange-Virginia Tech Kansas

Arizona State, is the team most likely to be left at the alter and will have a huge bitch---But lose late in the year and you get punished severely--especially 2 late losses

This season was made for an 8 team playoff---oh well

So what the heck happened with Les Miles---(this is the story from a couple of folks who are in the know)

Miles has a long history at Michigan---He both played and coached for the iconoclasts Bo and even came back to coach with Moeller---but that staff - a staff that included DC Carr was not a happy staff--and when Carr took over Miles took off

So what happened--

Well it was known that Carr had some health issues---and the rumors were that Carr would retire because of the health issues---but the best kept secret was---Carr was diagnosed with Parkinson as early as 2001--

and the really bad blood between Miles and Carr---was on the recruiting trail---where Miles was telling recruits about Carrs Health--

So Carr went on the record---Not directly implicating Miles but everyone close to the program knew who the words were directed at--and the current coaching staff at Michigan continued to leak the issues with Miles every chance they got

with the big one coming right before the SEC championship game--in a blog that basically laid out why Carr would not endorse Miles as a candidate at Michigan

Miles agent knew---that with the issues now public---it was not in his clients best interest to bolt LSU--so a deal was quickly struck with LSU---give Miles the contract that he would have gotten for the National title game and he would stay----and the 3.5 million deal was quickly agreed to--and the rest is history---Miles announced his staying at LSU

and the deep pocketed Michigan---they were never going over 3 Mill

and you ask why----Ferentz

The support of Ferentz---is coming from Carr and his cronies along with Mary Sue Coleman and had Carr retired last year like he was supposed to---Ferentz would have been the guy

So where does that leave Michigan---well a huge portion of the Wolverine support are absolutely stunned that Miles did an about face and stayed at LSU---will they turn their support to the small group who supported Ferentz and jump on the Carr bandwagon or will they switch to Brian Kelly or Gary Pinkel---but the dark horse guy just may be Jim Grobe---he is picking up some big time support from Boosters

and Brian Kelly is another guy with a lot of support---in spite of his baggage---which is another story

So how much of this soap opera is true---well as of Thursday Miles was headed to Michigan---and the sports guru's were getting leaks from the agents it was going down--Herbie's little announcement from a reliable source on Saturday morning---well came from the same source who started the leaks early in the week-----So who knows what happened exactly

except were there is smoke there's fire---but it sure makes for a great conspiracy theory---and sure is great spin on the shock of yesterday

Boby Bowden signed a 1 year extension of his contract---but what didn't get released is the Jimbo Fisher agreement----basically handing the team over to Jimbo at Bobby's retirement---or if it doesn't happen a huge buy out that is incentive for Jimbo to stay at FSU---as for Bobby---the contract sends a very clear message---go out in style---it is your choice

Larry Coker to Houston---maybe but major Applewhite would be a better choice and don't forget Michael Haywood

Greg Olsen may be the guy for WSU---but again the wrong guy for the program

Nebraska--stuck with pellini and to think they had a shot for one of the best coaches in college football--Jim Grobe

Paul Johnson to SMU? Navy wont let that happen

But the guy who will finally put the Bruins on equal footing with USC---is also a huge risk for the administration---Mike Leach ---will they take the risk or stick with a safer bet like Norm Chow---all I know is someone is already leaking the ideas of the administration to see how the wind blows---because even Rick Neuheisel name was mentioned---and that should tell you something about how desperate UCLA is for a winner :wink: but my guess is that Neuheisel's name was thrown out there to make Leach more palatable

and Davis name just wont go away at Arkansas---along with the Internet chatter about Tubby (love how everyone back tracked on the announcement that Tubby had accepted the job but that $6 million buyout :shock: )---but the search has not gone as planned for the sooey faithful---and the folks who chased away Nutt---are holding their breath

and Edsell to Tech would be a great hire but they have to figure out a way to keep Jon Tenuta which doesn't look like will happen unless Tech makes him head coach

Marty Schottenheimer to Duke---that would be a shocker

and lurking in the back ground is Bobby Petrino---Just waiting for the right guy to move :wink:

Washington will take a long hard look at Tyrone---and don't be shocked if he is gone Washington needs money---badly

Nick Saban name resurfaced----and that should tell you all you need to know about Alabama---one of the most coveted jobs in college football---but the worse environments to coach in---and Lou---well his ego is a tough tough fit for that environment---This is not a happy marriage

I have seen some devastating loss to end the season---UCLA vs Miami comes to mind that knocked UCLA out of the National hunt but WVU vs Pitt

That was huge huge huge---Probably the Big Easts best shot ever of playing for the BCS championship---and it went poof with an injury to a hand---what a huge upset---but it should tell you a lot about the Big East

But with all the other shockers this season---this one isn't getting the publicity it deserves---but The Mountaineers played tight and gave the country the biggest choke job in the last decade of college football---wow

But there is some consolation for Mountaineer fans---they wont have to steal any couches to burn :wink:

and the opposite happened late last night in Hawaii----trailing 21-0 and 28-7 Brennan showed why he should be the Heisman trophy winner---42-50 for 442 yards--and at one time completed 20-20----system or no system---he deserves the Heisman after leading Hawaii back from disaster--every other team choked but not Colt--he just simply had his best game when it mattered the most--

and guys---25 returning starters at Notre Dame---is that good news or bad news--sorry i just had to throw that in

so we end the regular season---like we started---lots of opinions still debating---having a lot of good natured fun---but thanks to all---for being there to banter with---for all the great write ups and info through out the year

and lets raise a toast---to the Bowl season--the greatest feast of sporting events known to man---and we get to watch it and debate it until after the new year

Thanks for a great season all--and thanks for all your input---You folks are what makes the Mill the best college football chat board out there----

[scoonie12g]

Pretty much everything you've heard about the UM coaching situation is the same stuff that I was told. I posted nearly two years ago that Carr had been diagnosed with Parkinson, but no one really said anything. From what I've heard, Kirk Herbstreit was correct with what he reported yesterday, but something blew up the process that resulted in Miles staying put. Carr and Miles definitely do not like each other, no secret there, and last week the Ferentz rumors seemed to be gaining some momentum. I've heard all kinds of things as to what will happen next, but I have been told that Carr would prefer for Ferentz to take over.

I really don't think Brian Kelly is a candidate because of some comments he's made that really rubbed some UM people the wrong way. I'd be shocked if he ends up with the job. But I'm very interested to see where this thing ends up.

[egghead]

Originally Posted by scoonie12g

Pretty much everything you've heard about the UM coaching situation is the same stuff that I was told. I posted nearly two years ago that Carr had been diagnosed with Parkinson, but no one really said anything. From what I've heard, Kirk Herbstreit was correct with what he reported yesterday, but something blew up the process that resulted in Miles staying put. Carr and Miles definitely do not like each other, no secret there, and last week the Ferentz rumors seemed to be gaining some momentum. I've heard all kinds of things as to what will happen next, but I have been told that Carr would prefer for Ferentz to take over.

I really don't think Brian Kelly is a candidate because of some comments he's made that really rubbed some UM people the wrong way. I'd be shocked if he ends up with the job. But I'm very interested to see where this thing ends up.

and I do remember you saying that about Miles----

and I really can't believe that the press did not bring this up during the trying times of the 05 season----but the press respected the heck out of Carr

and the rumor has it---that the Carr Ferentz love affair started with a visit to Bo in the hostpital---and Michigan had committed to Carr that Ferentz would replace him---but that was last year

and the Kelly stuff---will keep him out of Michigan---maybe--i would imagine the Miles supporters are pretty pissed about how things went down

[egghead]

and scoonie---

you gotta be looking forward to an LSU matchup----redemption time against the SEC---and LSU is a very beatable team

[YankeesSuck888]

Egg, have you heard anything on who will replace Dorrell? If you check out the Dorrell thread, sources say they are in negotiations with Mooch.

[KBNOTREDAME]

I think this season is summed up pretty well when:

It starts off with the BIGGEST UPSET EVER when the MOUNTAINEERS win, and it ends with THE BIGGEST CHOKE OF THE LAST DECADE when the MOUNTAINEERS lose. (Of course, one Mountaineers is Appalachian St and the other is WVU)

[egghead]

Originally Posted by KBNOTREDAME

I think this season is summed up pretty well when:

It starts off with the BIGGEST UPSET EVER when the MOUNTAINEERS win, and it ends with THE BIGGEST CHOKE OF THE LAST DECADE when the MOUNTAINEERS lose.

well said :wink:

[egghead]

Originally Posted by YankeesSuck888

Egg, have you heard anything on who will replace Dorrell? If you check out the Dorrell thread, sources say they are in negotiations with Mooch.

Just what I wrote----for now----will hear a lot more in the next couple of days

[scoonie12g]

Originally Posted by egghead

and scoonie---

you gotta be looking forward to an LSU matchup----redemption time against the SEC---and LSU is a very beatable team

On the one hand...I'm very excited about the possibility of getting redemption. I said about 12 weeks ago that the only way Ohio State would shut the critics up was to knock the stuffing out of an SEC team (and hinted that I was talking about LSU). Kind of ironic now that-that situation has presented itself. And quite honestly, I would be SHOCKED if Ohio State isn't prepared for this game, unlike a year ago.

On the other hand, I'm scared of a healthy Glenn Dorsey going up against Jim Cordle. He's our weak link on the offensive line and I'm having nightmares of Todd Boeckman running for his life.

I'm going to stay quiet about this game though and let everyone take their shots at the Buckeyes. Hopefully though my boys are prepared.

[jumanji]

Originally Posted by egghead

Nebraska--stuck with pellini and to think they had a shot for one of the best coaches in college football--Jim Grobe

egg, I take it you don't like the hire. Personally, I'm excited about it. For one reason, I wasn't really sure if he was ready or mature enough to be the head coach at Nebraska. The man who knows more about what it takes to be the head coach at Nebraska, Tom Osborne, seems to think he's ready. That's a pretty good endorsement for me. His players would rather die than let him down. He's had some pretty darn good defenses in college. It sounds like he's probably going to bring a spread option to Nebraska, which I'm excited about.

I'm just curious as to why you don't like the hire.

As for Grobe, I would have been fine with him. My only question would be if he could take a team to that next level. Could he get a few elite athletes every year that are essential to winning a national title? I have no doubt that Grobe would have won a lot of games at Nebraska, I just have some doubts as to if he could take them to the next level and back among the elite. But, I would have been fine with it if TO decided on him.

I'd heard (I think on this board) that Carr didn't like Miles and wouldn't endorse him for the UM job. I didn't know why though. That's interesting.

[m2k989]

I hope the Rose Bowl comes to its senses and sees the advantage of taking Georgia. USC-Illinois is a decent game. USC-Georgia is a marquee matchup.

[kevinwayne20]

Originally Posted by jumanji

I'd heard (I think on this board) that Carr didn't like Miles and wouldn't endorse him for the UM job. I didn't know why though. That's interesting.

They didn't like each other. That is why Miles left for Ok State and if what Egg said is true that is why he was spreading rumors about Carr's health too recruits (which I think is bush league). If the stuff I heard today was true then I am happy that he took the money.

I actually heard someone today that knows David Brandon, who is a former regent of the University of Michigan, say that people in the hiring comity didn't care for Less Miles much. I don't know how true how true it was but I do know who Brandon is, so it makes sense.

[scoonie12g]

Originally Posted by kevinwayne20

They didn't like each other. That is why Miles left for Ok State and if what Egg said is true that is why he was spreading rumors about Carr's health too recruits (which I think is bush league). If the stuff I heard today was true then I am happy that he took the money.

I actually heard someone today that knows David Brandon, who is a former regent of the University of Michigan, say that people in the hiring comity didn't care for Less Miles much. I don't know how true how true it was but I do know who Brandon is, so it makes sense.

That's what I've been saying since the beginning of this season. I had it on good authority that the "power brokers" at UM didn't care too much for Les Miles because of shady recruiting tactics, but that some of them had started to warm up to him as the season progressed. But nobody listens to me :wink:

[drarcher]

Originally Posted by m2k989

I hope the Rose Bowl comes to its senses and sees the advantage of taking Georgia. USC-Illinois is a decent game. USC-Georgia is a marquee matchup.

I agree, Illinois does not deserve to be in a BCS game. 3 losses should be the kiss of death for a BCS game.

[cmnelson1987]

Originally Posted by drarcher

I agree, Illinois does not deserve to be in a BCS game. 3 losses should be the kiss of death for a BCS game.

So had Tennessee won yesterday, you're saying they shouldn't have gotten the automatic BCS bid for winning the SEC? They had 3 losses going into the game.

Illinois has the only win over the #1 team in the nation, and they also have a win over a top 25 Wisconsin team.

[DCDawg]

Though I think it would be great for Georgia to go to the Sugar Bowl, no matter who they play, I would love to see a scenario where LSU and UGA could finish #1 and #2, and I don't think that playing Hawaii would give Georgia enough of a respect factor to top whoever wins Oklahoma-WVU. Frankly, though it lessens the chance of a win, I'd prefer to see Georgia against WVU for the challenge and to avenge a stinging loss from a couple years ago, or Oklahoma or USC, just for the challenge.

For what it's worth, I don't really believe that Georgia should be in the NC game (and I'd rather have the SEC title anyway), but you'll have a hard time explaining to me why Ohio State leapt to the top while watching TV, but Georgia didn't move at all.

Egg, your input is the best on the Mill. Looking forward to talking about the exhibition, er, bowl season.

[drarcher]

Originally Posted by cmnelson1987

So had Tennessee won yesterday, you're saying they shouldn't have gotten the automatic BCS bid for winning the SEC? They had 3 losses going into the game.

Illinois has the only win over the #1 team in the nation, and they also have a win over a top 25 Wisconsin team.

Obviously conference Champions differ, we are talking at large bids. There are 13 teams with 2 or less losses. They should be able to get all the at large bids from there.

[drarcher]

Originally Posted by DCDawg

Though I think it would be great for Georgia to go to the Sugar Bowl, no matter who they play, I would love to see a scenario where LSU and UGA could finish #1 and #2, and I don't think that playing Hawaii would give Georgia enough of a respect factor to top whoever wins Oklahoma-WVU. Frankly, though it lessens the chance of a win, I'd prefer to see Georgia against WVU for the challenge and to avenge a stinging loss from a couple years ago, or Oklahoma or USC, just for the challenge.

For what it's worth, I don't really believe that Georgia should be in the NC game (and I'd rather have the SEC title anyway), but you'll have a hard time explaining to me why Ohio State leapt to the top while watching TV, but Georgia didn't move at all.

Egg, your input is the best on the Mill. Looking forward to talking about the exhibition, er, bowl season.

I think a Georgia-USC game would be the best match-up to watch.

[cmnelson1987]

Originally Posted by drarcher

Obviously conference Champions differ, we are talking at large bids. There are 13 teams with 2 or less losses. They should be able to get all the at large bids from there.

Alright, then lets look at a different scenario. Let's say things had worked out for Georgia and they made it to the SEC title game. They lose to LSU and end up with 3 losses. Odds are they would still gotten an at-large bid. You don't think Georgia would have stilled deserved the at-large?

[DCDawg]

Originally Posted by cmnelson1987

Alright, then lets look at a different scenario. Let's say things had worked out for Georgia and they made it to the SEC title game. They lose to LSU and end up with 3 losses. Odds are they would still gotten an at-large bid. You don't think Georgia would have stilled deserved the at-large?

Georgia would not have gotten the bid. There was some dissent among Georgia fans, the unfaithful and delusional of whom thought Georgia would lose to LSU and thus wanted Kentucky to lose to UT.