Lakers 2009/2010: 45-15 Comeback Against Nuggets

m2k989 · #**1381** 01-11-2010, 03:27 PM

As much as Bosh is a great player, I seriously doubt the Lakers do this deal. Kupchak wouldn't want to run the risk of losing Bosh in the offseason and having no money for a replacement center, and Buss wouldn't want to pay Bosh a max contract. The Lakers are championship contenders with Bynum, and he's got plenty of years to further develop his game. If he can step out and shoot a little more like he did last night, he should do better with Gasol on the court.

JShow34 · #**1382** 01-11-2010, 05:53 PM

I'd rather have Bynum than Bosh. When the utilize Bynum as the go to guy, he has shown that he can put up some really incredible numbers. Before he went down last year he was putting up 24 , 12 nightly for a stretch there. Bynum or Bosh , if they don't get the touches they won't produce.

I am one to think that Bosh is a little soft, not saying that Bynum is a monster down low, but Bosh turtles and gets big numbers put on him pretty often.

JShow34 · #**1383** 01-11-2010, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by calibur

That whole game just showcases what everyone should know about the Lakers by now - they're soft. Anytime a team takes it to their bigs and play tough defense, they can't handle it. It happened in the Finals against Boston and it happened again here. The Cavs didn't back down. Shaq, Big Z and especially Varejao didn't back down and completely took LA's frontcourt out of the game. Derek Fisher as usual, resorted to playing dirty when things got tough.

Kobe is easily frustrated when he doesn't get the calls he feels he should get. I honestly feel like the refs are tired of his act. It's one thing for a superstar to get calls, it's another when said superstar looks at you with a sense of entitlement anytime someone breathes on him.

Gasol is what he is. In case you missed it though, Bynum was out for the playoffs and didn't get to play against Boston. Bynum is the Lakers best post defender and also would have big a huge help since the Lakers desperately lacked interior depth that year in the playoffs. With Bynum and Gasol on the court it would have been unlikely that Boston could have even played Leon Powe.

I'd hardly call Shaq, Zydrunas and Varajeo physical lol.

I think what happens is it's a long season. Sometimes you get blown out at home to good teams, sometimes you beat the better teams on the road, sometimes you lose at Portland, sometimes you lose at home to New Jersey. Fact is the Lakers are the top seed out West right now and that's basically all that matters. Against the majority of the league I like the Lakers chances in a 7 game series. Boston might have an edge but it's not because the are physical and the Lakers are "soft", it's because they are REALLY good and REALLY talented.

You make it sound as if Boston is like the Knicks of the early 90s just beating up the Lakers.

Soft? Look at those teams they beat to get to the Finals the past two seasons out West.

There is this guard, #24 for the Lakers. You think he's soft?

Deftoner · #**1384** 01-19-2010, 08:09 PM

Shannon Brown will be in this year's dunk contest, against Gerald Wallace, Nate Robinson and either Eric Gordon and DeMar DeRozan.

mason54 · #**1385** 01-21-2010, 08:06 PM

If it wasn't a certainty before, it is now. Gasol is the softest 7 footer in the league. And its not even close.

JShow34 · #**1386** 01-21-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mason54

If it wasn't a certainty before, it is now. Gasol is the softest 7 footer in the league. And its not even close.

He's also one of the best big men in the league. Randy Moss is maybe one of the softest wr's in the NFL but you'd glady have him.

Banging around down low just isn't his game. I think we know this already.

Thanks

Deftoner · #**1387** 01-21-2010, 08:48 PM

Seven-foot, soft, but with a championship ring, more than can be said for some other star basketball players.

_illapeeno · #**1388** 02-01-2010, 11:31 AM

Tough win at the Garden, Rondo killed the Lakers in the first half then was gone for the rest of the game. Game up against Memphis tonight, hopefully Bynum takes the game off.

JShow34 · #**1389** 02-01-2010, 12:41 PM

Albeit a good win last night, the Lakers need to address the point guard position if they wish to get through to WC to the Finals. Fisher is a great leader but he doesn't have the footspeed or skills to off-set what opposing pgs are producing. That being said neither Shannon Brown or Farmar are a) consistant enough b)good enough defenders to utilize.

So either Artest will have to be asked to guard a Deron Williams, Billups, Paul, A. Miller, Westbrook and it wouldn't even be fair to say Parker or Brooks or we go out and get a big, quick guard who doesn't have to provide offense but can defend.

I've said it before and I'll say it again that the team that worries me most is Utah. They match up well against the Lakers size and Deron Williams is just too big or too quick for everyone the Lakers try to put on him. Make a cheap move for a guy who's suitable to the Lakers' needs and the major problem will be solved.

Answer?

Charlie Bell & Elson for expiring contract Adam Morrison plus ?

Bell isn't your prototypical point guard, but he's a big guard that Jackson has always liked with nice ball skills. Vet leader, isn't a great shooter but the Lakers don't need him for that.

Deftoner · #**1390** 02-06-2010, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JShow34

Albeit a good win last night, the Lakers need to address the point guard position if they wish to get through to WC to the Finals. Fisher is a great leader but he doesn't have the footspeed or skills to off-set what opposing pgs are producing. That being said neither Shannon Brown or Farmar are a) consistant enough b)good enough defenders to utilize.

So either Artest will have to be asked to guard a Deron Williams, Billups, Paul, A. Miller, Westbrook and it wouldn't even be fair to say Parker or Brooks or we go out and get a big, quick guard who doesn't have to provide offense but can defend.

I've said it before and I'll say it again that the team that worries me most is Utah. They match up well against the Lakers size and Deron Williams is just too big or too quick for everyone the Lakers try to put on him. Make a cheap move for a guy who's suitable to the Lakers' needs and the major problem will be solved.

Answer?

Charlie Bell & Elson for expiring contract Adam Morrison plus ?

Bell isn't your prototypical point guard, but he's a big guard that Jackson has always liked with nice ball skills. Vet leader, isn't a great shooter but the Lakers don't need him for that.

So if we don't make a trade for another PG, ready to make the second half of the season, Farmar's coming out party. I was just looking at the stats, and both Farmar and Shannon Brown are averaging more points than Fish while playing almost 10 minutes less per game.

JShow34 · #**1391** 02-13-2010, 05:12 PM

Yes Deftoner you are correct. I know all us Laker fans love Fish (atleast I think so), but his minutes need to start declining.

_illapeeno · #**1392** 02-15-2010, 02:00 PM

It almost seems as if every time it rolls around January - February I'm expecting to see Bynum injured but not Kobe. Is the olympics and extended playoff run finally taking it's toll on Kobe? He's been playing non stop for 2 years now and will probably be 3 years with the 2010 Turkey Tournament. Something tells me that Kobe is trying to match or even get more Gold Medals than MJ.

With the trade deadline coming up what I'd like to see happen is Walton and Vujacic traded for a salary dump and maybe get some talent back similar to the salary dump of Radmanovic when the Lakers got Brown.

JShow34 · #**1393** 02-18-2010, 08:07 PM

What is it with Bynum? Does the guy really sulk that much on the court when he doesn't get early touches? Give him the ball a few times early and the guy plays his butt off.

_illapeeno · #**1394** 02-18-2010, 09:56 PM

80-80 Sasha starts taking the basket to the paint and rebounding. I can't believe it took him this long to realize that his three point shot isn't falling he can still be effective by rebounding and taking it to the paint.

_illapeeno · #**1395** 02-18-2010, 10:27 PM

Does Fisher think he's Kobe Bryant or something? One point loss to the Celtics without Kobe, Lakers battled hard but the guards were pathetic tonight and the outside shooting was nowhere to be found. The front court got the Lakers second chances on offensive rebounds. At least the Cavs lost tonight and the Lakers are only 1 game back in the win column.

jriddle3 · #**1396** 02-19-2010, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by JShow34

Yes Deftoner you are correct. I know all us Laker fans love Fish (atleast I think so), but his minutes need to start declining.

Fish is a great person/competitor but you are right - he is a 35 year old PG and he is on the decline. At times he has looked great but those games are fewer and fewer. His assists have dropped significantly in he past month.

When Kobe returns, he probably needs to play fewer minutes - they will still be quality and he may even up his production.

JShow34 · #**1397** 02-19-2010, 07:02 AM

What I don't get with Fisher is that I understand when you get older you get slower and lose athleticism but it shouldn't be such an issue with him considering he was never a great athlete. I just don't get why he his shooting has declined with age. I would think that's something you'd atleast improve.

Someone tell me what happened at the end? Did Fisher try being the hero? I passed out in the 3rd.

m2k989 · #**1398** 02-19-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JShow34

What I don't get with Fisher is that I understand when you get older you get slower and lose athleticism but it shouldn't be such an issue with him considering he was never a great athlete. I just don't get why he his shooting has declined with age. I would think that's something you'd atleast improve.

Someone tell me what happened at the end? Did Fisher try being the hero? I passed out in the 3rd.

Not really. The Lakers inbounded the ball with 2.2 seconds left. They had trouble finding someone open for the inbounds pass, Fisher eventually got it on the perimeter, and he didn't manage to get off a decent shot. I don't think he was the first option on that play, and he was well-defended once he got the ball.

If anything, we lost that game because Shannon Brown and Pau Gasol were off in the last few minutes. Brown missed multiple midrange shots that he hit easily against Golden State, and Gasol made some inexplicable plays and couldn't score in the post. Team defense was incredible, especially Lamar and Artest switching off KG and Pierce and stopping both.

_illapeeno · #**1399** 02-19-2010, 12:44 PM

Also don't forget Odom burning off a few seconds after the Celtics missed, we got the ball with around 6 seconds left. But Odom got the rebound and dribbled it all the way to the basket and missed. Good thing Gasol was calling a timeout but it took nearly 4 seconds of the clock.

JShow34 · #**1400** 02-19-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by m2k989

Not really. The Lakers inbounded the ball with 2.2 seconds left. They had trouble finding someone open for the inbounds pass, Fisher eventually got it on the perimeter, and he didn't manage to get off a decent shot. I don't think he was the first option on that play, and he was well-defended once he got the ball.

If anything, we lost that game because Shannon Brown and Pau Gasol were off in the last few minutes. Brown missed multiple midrange shots that he hit easily against Golden State, and Gasol made some inexplicable plays and couldn't score in the post. Team defense was incredible, especially Lamar and Artest switching off KG and Pierce and stopping both.

I am really worried about our PG situation come playoff time. I like Brown in spot play and Farmar is effective but neither guy along with Fisher can offset what some of the elite pgs in the West will do. We are just going to have to hope and pray that Deron Williams misses each time he comes down the court. We don't have a guy on the roster that can hold him under 30pts.