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I know its a tad early but with the season comming to an END for the wolves I thought i would look towards the draft and a transaction or two i'd love to see the wolves make

well the wolves have 3 1st round picks coming up. Some players i would like the wolves to look at in the draft are Blake Griffin, (obviously we only get him if we win the lottery but I'd still snatch him up with the 1st pick), then maybe try to trade Big Al, or Love, i'd rather keep Love as he is a rebounding beast, and Al will be comming back from surgery, obviously we wont get fair value, but he has a nice size contract and could still fetch a nice return, or just roll with Al, Love and Griffin.
Ricky Rubio, Hasheem Thabeet, Stephen Curry, Ty Lawson, Jrue Holiday, Tyler Hansbrough and Wayne Ellington.

I'd love to get Thabeet he would add a much needed defensive presence in the middle that this team is lacking.

Hansbrough- I know the wolves already have 2 undersized bigs in Big Al and Love, I dont know why but I just think Tyler is going to be a good role player in the NBA.

I also think the Wolves should look into obtaining Richard Hamilton, the player we should have selected instead of Wally Szerbiak. The wolves need a player that can consistently hit jumpers. Maybe trade Corey Brewer and our latter 2 firsts for him, and then look at Rubio or Thabeet with our 1st giving us a starting lineup of
Thabeet, Big Al, Mike Miller, Richard Hamilton, Randy Foye and Kevin Love as our 6th man

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Big Al, Kevin Love, Mike Miller, Richard Hamilton, Randy Foye and Ricky Rubio as our 6th man

either of those 2 lineups and I think the wolves would become a playoff team, contenders not quite yet but definately a playoff team
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If I were the Wolves i'll try and hold onto Jefferson, he's capable of 20 10 any given night and his contract is fair value. If only the Wolves kept Mayo instead of trading for Love. If the Wolves can't get Griffin they should pick up Thabeat as their big defensive center to anchor downlow and move Jefferson back to PF.
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Jefferson is a beast no doubt about that, I just dont really like having 2 undersized bigs in our frontcourt, we need a true center. We also need some size. I'd have no problem trading Love its just he showed nice promise and is actually one of the few bright spots on the roster, although i will admit that I hated the trade that brought him here, Mayo was the player i wanted the wolves to draft last year and it happened only to have my heart torn when they traded him for love, but with Mchale as the GM I have come to expect shitty decision making.
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If we get Griffin we dont need to trade any of them. Love could play the 6th man or you could play big ball and put all three of them on the court at the same time.

The player I absolutely would kill for in this draft is Ty Lawson. Obviously Im not going to spend the lottery pick on him but use Miami's pick for him if he is there.

Also the Wolves have said they dont plan on bringing in 3 1st round players to camp so look for them to move 1 or 2. All I have to say is we better use the pick to move up or trade it for a future pick. If we just straight up sell our pick Im going to be PISSED.

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Trade Boston pick for a future 1st

We also will receive Utah's 1st next year as long as they dont suck horrendously.

As far as signing anyone I rather wait. Give us as much room next year to make a move. Richard Hamilton is old and isnt going to get us into the playoffs. The one player I wouldnt mind signing though is Andre Miller. We really need a PG.

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I know its a tad early but with the season comming to an END for the wolves I thought i would look towards the draft and a transaction or two i'd love to see the wolves make

well the wolves have 3 1st round picks comming up some players i would like the wolves to look at in the draft our Blake Griffin, obviously we only get him if we win the lottery, but I'd still snatch him up with the 1st pick, then maybe try to trade Big Al, or Love, i'd rather keep Love as he is a rebounding beast, and Al will be comming back from surgery, obviously we wont get fair value, but he has a nice size contract and could still fetch a nice return, or ust roll with Al, Love and Griffin.
Ricky Rubio, Hasheem Thabeet, Stephen Curry, Ty Lawson, Jrue Holiday, Tyler Hansbrough and Wayne Ellington.

I'd love to get Thabeet he would add a much needed defensive presence in the middle that this team is lacking.

Hansbrough- I know the wolves already have 2 undersized bigs in Big Al and Love, I dont know why but I just think Tyler is going to be a good role player in the NBA.

I also think the Wolves should look into obtaining Richard Hamilton, the player we should have selected instead of Wally Szerbiak. The wolves need a player that can consistently hit jumpers. Maybe trade Corey Brewer and our latter 2 firsts for him, and then look at Rubio or Thabeet with our 1st giving us a starting lineup of
Thabeet, Big Al, Mike Miller, Richard Hamilton, Randy Foye and Kevin Love as our 6th man

or:
Big Al, Kevin Love, Mike Miller, Richard Hamilton, Randy Foye and Ricky Rubio as our 6th man

either of those 2 lineups and I think the wolves would become a playoff team, contenders not quite yet but definately a playoff team
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Jefferson is not undersized, he is just out of position. IMO, if you trade Jefferson at the expense of Love it might be the worst trade the Wolves have ever made and that is saying something. Love is not bad, but he is just not ever going to be Al Jefferson. Plus, in that scenario, Griffin-Love is extremely undersized, more so than Jefferson-Love.

Hansbrough will only be a 1st round pick if someone buys into the hype and essentially makes a PR pick. He can't give you anything Love can't. I think the Madsen comparisons for Hansbrough are very fair. I do think Hansbrough will be better than Madsen though.

Anyway, I'd expect the Wolves to trade some combination of Miller, Cardinal, Madsen, and a pick this summer. I think the Kirk Hinrich talks could heat up again. He really would be an excellent compliment to Foye IMO. They would need a 3rd team though as I don't see the Bulls really having any need for a guy like Mike Miller.

I think Thabeet, Harden, or Jennings would be very nice pickups with their pick.
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Jefferson is not undersized, he is just out of position. IMO, if you trade Jefferson at the expense of Love it might be the worst trade the Wolves have ever made and that is saying something. Love is not bad, but he is just not ever going to be Al Jefferson. Plus, in that scenario, Griffin-Love is extremely undersized, more so than Jefferson-Love.

Hansbrough will only be a 1st round pick if someone buys into the hype and essentially makes a PR pick. He can't give you anything Love can't. I think the Madsen comparisons for Hansbrough are very fair. I do think Hansbrough will be better than Madsen though.

Anyway, I'd expect the Wolves to trade some combination of Miller, Cardinal, Madsen, and a pick this summer. I think the Kirk Hinrich talks could heat up again. He really would be an excellent compliment to Foye IMO. They would need a 3rd team though as I don't see the Bulls really having any need for a guy like Mike Miller.

I think Thabeet, Harden, or Jennings would be very nice pickups with their pick.
I was a fan of Harden but then he just hit a wall a few weeks into February. If he hits a wall in the NCAA how soon is he going to burn out in the NBA?
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Jefferson is not undersized, he is just out of position. IMO, if you trade Jefferson at the expense of Love it might be the worst trade the Wolves have ever made and that is saying something. Love is not bad, but he is just not ever going to be Al Jefferson. Plus, in that scenario, Griffin-Love is extremely undersized, more so than Jefferson-Love.

Hansbrough will only be a 1st round pick if someone buys into the hype and essentially makes a PR pick. He can't give you anything Love can't. I think the Madsen comparisons for Hansbrough are very fair. I do think Hansbrough will be better than Madsen though.

Anyway, I'd expect the Wolves to trade some combination of Miller, Cardinal, Madsen, and a pick this summer. I think the Kirk Hinrich talks could heat up again. He really would be an excellent compliment to Foye IMO. They would need a 3rd team though as I don't see the Bulls really having any need for a guy like Mike Miller.

I think Thabeet, Harden, or Jennings would be very nice pickups with their pick.
I was a fan of Harden but then he just hit a wall a few weeks into February. If he hits a wall in the NCAA how soon is he going to burn out in the NBA?

He will also receive first class training, play less minutes, and be counted on to do far less. Every college player is going to have to make the same transistion. Unless Harden is known for being lazy, which I don't know if he is or isn't, this shouldn't be a problem.
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I know its a tad early but with the season comming to an END for the wolves I thought i would look towards the draft and a transaction or two i'd love to see the wolves make

well the wolves have 3 1st round picks comming up some players i would like the wolves to look at in the draft our Blake Griffin, obviously we only get him if we win the lottery, but I'd still snatch him up with the 1st pick, then maybe try to trade Big Al, or Love, i'd rather keep Love as he is a rebounding beast, and Al will be comming back from surgery, obviously we wont get fair value, but he has a nice size contract and could still fetch a nice return, or ust roll with Al, Love and Griffin.
Ricky Rubio, Hasheem Thabeet, Stephen Curry, Ty Lawson, Jrue Holiday, Tyler Hansbrough and Wayne Ellington.

I'd love to get Thabeet he would add a much needed defensive presence in the middle that this team is lacking.

Hansbrough- I know the wolves already have 2 undersized bigs in Big Al and Love, I dont know why but I just think Tyler is going to be a good role player in the NBA.

I also think the Wolves should look into obtaining Richard Hamilton, the player we should have selected instead of Wally Szerbiak. The wolves need a player that can consistently hit jumpers. Maybe trade Corey Brewer and our latter 2 firsts for him, and then look at Rubio or Thabeet with our 1st giving us a starting lineup of
Thabeet, Big Al, Mike Miller, Richard Hamilton, Randy Foye and Kevin Love as our 6th man

or:
Big Al, Kevin Love, Mike Miller, Richard Hamilton, Randy Foye and Ricky Rubio as our 6th man

either of those 2 lineups and I think the wolves would become a playoff team, contenders not quite yet but definately a playoff team
So basically you want to trade 3 1st Rounders for Richard Hamilton?
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yeah i would trade 2 very late 1st round picks in a not very talented draft class and Corey Brewer for Rip, Hamilton is what 29, 30yrs old still has anywhere from 5-8 good years left in him. Where as with Brewer we are still waiting for him to develop, which may never happen, and a couple players who probably wont develop with us either with all the young talent we already have. thats the problem with having too much young talent not enough minutes to let it develop, besides hasnt enough bad drafting by the wolves shown you that we are better off trading for proven commodities. The wolves would be so much better right now if we would have never traded Roy for Foye or Mayo for Love. Wait I get it you just like making fun of the Wolves and their draft blunders.
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Jefferson is not undersized, he is just out of position. IMO, if you trade Jefferson at the expense of Love it might be the worst trade the Wolves have ever made and that is saying something. Love is not bad, but he is just not ever going to be Al Jefferson. Plus, in that scenario, Griffin-Love is extremely undersized, more so than Jefferson-Love.

Hansbrough will only be a 1st round pick if someone buys into the hype and essentially makes a PR pick. He can't give you anything Love can't. I think the Madsen comparisons for Hansbrough are very fair. I do think Hansbrough will be better than Madsen though.

Anyway, I'd expect the Wolves to trade some combination of Miller, Cardinal, Madsen, and a pick this summer. I think the Kirk Hinrich talks could heat up again. He really would be an excellent compliment to Foye IMO. They would need a 3rd team though as I don't see the Bulls really having any need for a guy like Mike Miller.

I think Thabeet, Harden, or Jennings would be very nice pickups with their pick.
it wouldnt be trading Big Al at the expense of Love, I said I would consider trading one if we won the lottery and selected Griffin, but that doesnt mean i would trade him just for the sake of trading him, the right deal would definately have to come along
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As for the draft my ideal selections would be Thabeet or Rubio and Stephen Curry, Jrue Holiday or Tyler Hansbrough even though Ty doesnt like him, but i can kind of see the Madsen similarities, I just think he's wrong, im all for trading our last 1st rounder for another one next year, i just dont see anyone wanting to do that in a weak draft class.
Besides Hansbrough has to be a better option then Brian Cardinal, Mark Madsen, Sheldon Williams and Chris Richards...right
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Jefferson is not undersized, he is just out of position. IMO, if you trade Jefferson at the expense of Love it might be the worst trade the Wolves have ever made and that is saying something. Love is not bad, but he is just not ever going to be Al Jefferson. Plus, in that scenario, Griffin-Love is extremely undersized, more so than Jefferson-Love.

Hansbrough will only be a 1st round pick if someone buys into the hype and essentially makes a PR pick. He can't give you anything Love can't. I think the Madsen comparisons for Hansbrough are very fair. I do think Hansbrough will be better than Madsen though.

Anyway, I'd expect the Wolves to trade some combination of Miller, Cardinal, Madsen, and a pick this summer. I think the Kirk Hinrich talks could heat up again. He really would be an excellent compliment to Foye IMO. They would need a 3rd team though as I don't see the Bulls really having any need for a guy like Mike Miller.

I think Thabeet, Harden, or Jennings would be very nice pickups with their pick.
it wouldnt be trading Big Al at the expense of Love, I said I would consider trading one if we won the lottery and selected Griffin, but that doesnt mean i would trade him just for the sake of trading him, the right deal would definately have to come along

It would be at the expense of Love since you said you'd trade Love or Jefferson. Just even entertaining the idea of trading Jefferson is the wrong one for this franchise.
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Not positive, but I am fairly certain Rubio can't even enter the draft til next year.
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Jefferson is not undersized, he is just out of position. IMO, if you trade Jefferson at the expense of Love it might be the worst trade the Wolves have ever made and that is saying something. Love is not bad, but he is just not ever going to be Al Jefferson. Plus, in that scenario, Griffin-Love is extremely undersized, more so than Jefferson-Love.

Hansbrough will only be a 1st round pick if someone buys into the hype and essentially makes a PR pick. He can't give you anything Love can't. I think the Madsen comparisons for Hansbrough are very fair. I do think Hansbrough will be better than Madsen though.

Anyway, I'd expect the Wolves to trade some combination of Miller, Cardinal, Madsen, and a pick this summer. I think the Kirk Hinrich talks could heat up again. He really would be an excellent compliment to Foye IMO. They would need a 3rd team though as I don't see the Bulls really having any need for a guy like Mike Miller.

I think Thabeet, Harden, or Jennings would be very nice pickups with their pick.
it wouldnt be trading Big Al at the expense of Love, I said I would consider trading one if we won the lottery and selected Griffin, but that doesnt mean i would trade him just for the sake of trading him, the right deal would definately have to come along

It would be at the expense of Love since you said you'd trade Love or Jefferson. Just even entertaining the idea of trading Jefferson is the wrong one for this franchise.
go back and read it, I said I'd think about trading one of them, and that was only if we got the 1st overall pick, but then I went off on preferrably Big Al, basically just cause you dont know what your going to get with him after the surgery.
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Not positive, but I am fairlt certain Rubio can't even enter the draft til next year.
he can enter the draft I just think he cant come over for another year, which may not be a bad thing, as it would gve us another year of grooming our younger players right now, even though that probably means another losing season, which of coarse sucks, but I honestly dont think we will contend next year unless a significant trade is made, more likely 2 trades, and honestly i'd rather stay a cellar dwellar for another year and have a chance to better improve our team then a middle of the pack lose a 1st round playoff series, and basically have not much chance to improve our roster. Right now the wolves have nothing to lure in any possible big time free agents, so we will need to look towards trades or the draft to get better
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I think the Wolves have some decent bench pieces in Carney, Telfair, Gomes, Love, etc.

Brewer missing essentially the whole year hurt, but I still think he has tremendous defensive upside and can be a Bruce Bowen/Doug Christie type player.

I am a big Al Jefferson fan and a legit low post scorer is hard to come by. I still think he will continue to get better.

Foye finally started looking like a player after moving over to the 2 spot. I think he can be among a good teams top 3 scorers someday.

I see the Wolves as having 3 major needs...a true PG, another wing scoring option, and a defensive anchor in the middle. This is why I think Thabeet, Harden, and Jennings would all be nice picks.

I think the Wolves can kill 2 birds this offseason. I'd pursue Hinrich again and then if they can draft Harden or Thabeet. With whatever picks they have left just go BPA. Don't get cute in the late stages of the first. Just take the BPA.

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I think the Wolves have some decent bench pieces in Carney, Telfair, Gomes, Love, etc.

Brewer missing essentially the whole year hurt, but I still think he has tremendous defensive upside and can be a Bruce Bowen/Doug Christie type player.

I am a big Al Jefferson fan and a legit low post scorer is hard to come by. I still think he will continue to get better.

Foye finally started looking like a player after moving over to the 2 spot. I think he can be among a good teams top 3 scorers someday.

I see the Wolves as having 3 major needs...a true PG, another wing scoring option, and a defensive anchor in the middle. This is why I think Thabeet, Harden, and Jennings would all be nice picks.

I think the Wolves can kill 2 birds this offseason. I'd pursue Hinrich again and then if they can draft Harden or Thabeet. With whatever picks they have left just go BPA. Don't get cute in the late stages of the first. Just take the BPA.

They need a real coach too.
I think McHale has done a GREAT job as coach. They just need to make sure they dont give him the GM job back.
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He did actually do a nice job, but is he really going to be around for the long haul?
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Brewer missing essentially the whole year hurt, but I still think he has tremendous defensive upside and can be a Bruce Bowen/Doug Christie type player.
I used to think the same thing of Brewer, but I saw him a lot in summer league and I came away with the feeling that he will be out of the league in another year or so. I could be wrong....cause many people thought Bowen would be out of the league until he found his niche.
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yeah i would trade 2 very late 1st round picks in a not very talented draft class and Corey Brewer for Rip, Hamilton is what 29, 30yrs old still has anywhere from 5-8 good years left in him. Where as with Brewer we are still waiting for him to develop, which may never happen, and a couple players who probably wont develop with us either with all the young talent we already have. thats the problem with having too much young talent not enough minutes to let it develop, besides hasnt enough bad drafting by the wolves shown you that we are better off trading for proven commodities. The wolves would be so much better right now if we would have never traded Roy for Foye or Mayo for Love. Wait I get it you just like making fun of the Wolves and their draft blunders.
don't remind me of that trade we could have easily had what the Blazers currently have!!! The year that they won the lottery the blazers and t-wolves had identical records so they fliped a coin to decide who would have the 6th best shot at winning the draft lottery. The blazers ended up winning the coin toss and the rest is history. It is very depressing just thinking of what could have been
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