Timberwolves 09-10: Wolves lose Heartbreaker at home: Fall to 3-19

[BiggyBodaisBack]

barreh-you are wrong we selected roy then latter traded him to portland for foye & cash considerations, if memory serves me correctly we made our selection first

[Barreh]

Originally Posted by BiggyBodaisBack

barreh-you are wrong we selected roy then latter traded him to portland for foye & cash considerations, if memory serves me correctly we made our selection first

i am not talking about the year we drafted roy. i am refering to the year the blazers won the draft lottery and selected greg oden and we ended up picking Corey Brewer :evil: :evil: :evil:

Here is a list of players i would have rather picked:
Joakim Noah 6-11 230 PF Florida Jr.
Spencer Hawes 7-0 244 C Wash. Fr.
Thaddeus Young 6-7 210 SF GT Fr.
Al Thornton 6-7 221 SF/PF Florida St. Sr.
Rodney Stuckey 6-5 207 SG E. Wash. So.
Nick Young 6-6 206 SG USC Jr.
Sean Williams 6-10 235 PF BC Jr.
Marco Belinelli 6-6 200 SG Italy 1986
Daequan Cook 6-5 210 SG Ohio St. Fr.
Wilson Chandler 6-7 230 SF DePaul So.
Rudy Fernandez 6-6 172 SG Spain 1985
Tiago Splitter 6-11 240 PF Brazil 1985
Marc Gasol 7-0 270 C Spain 1985

[mesahotguy5]

Originally Posted by Barreh

i am not talking about the year we drafted roy. i am refering to the year the blazers won the draft lottery and selected greg oden and we ended up picking Corey Brewer :evil: :evil: :evil:

Here is a list of players i would have rather picked:
Joakim Noah 6-11 230 PF Florida Jr.
Spencer Hawes 7-0 244 C Wash. Fr.
Thaddeus Young 6-7 210 SF GT Fr.
Al Thornton 6-7 221 SF/PF Florida St. Sr.
Rodney Stuckey 6-5 207 SG E. Wash. So.
Nick Young 6-6 206 SG USC Jr.
Sean Williams 6-10 235 PF BC Jr.
Marco Belinelli 6-6 200 SG Italy 1986
Daequan Cook 6-5 210 SG Ohio St. Fr.
Wilson Chandler 6-7 230 SF DePaul So.
Rudy Fernandez 6-6 172 SG Spain 1985
Tiago Splitter 6-11 240 PF Brazil 1985
Marc Gasol 7-0 270 C Spain 1985

At the time I wanted no part of Hawes but he has turned out to be decent. Fernandez, Splitter, Belinelli, and Gasol were all Euros and the Wolves really arent involved at all in foreign players. If the Wolves would have takent Young, Williams, Cook, or Chandler at 7 they would have been crucified.

[_illapeeno]

McHald made some terrible draft trades and selection ROY, MAYO come to mind. But he made a decent trade for KG, he got a sure fire future All-star big in Jefferson. They need a PG reading from the comments, I thought Telfair showed some potential and Foye is better at the SG. Their main need is a big defensive center so they can slide Jefferson to his natural position at PF. Based on where they are drafting I don't think taking Thabeet is the right choice, I'd try and take the BPA and try and trade for Camby.

[mesahotguy5]

Originally Posted by _illapeeno

McHald made some terrible draft trades and selection ROY, MAYO come to mind. But he made a decent trade for KG, he got a sure fire future All-star big in Jefferson. They need a PG reading from the comments, I thought Telfair showed some potential and Foye is better at the SG. Their main need is a big defensive center so they can slide Jefferson to his natural position at PF. Based on where they are drafting I don't think taking Thabeet is the right choice, I'd try and take the BPA and try and trade for Camby.

I think he made a very good trade for KG. Worked out for both sides. I think the Mayo trade was good because it got rid of ALL our bad contracts. The Roy trade is another thing. I would be perfectly happy with McHale as coach as long as we dont give him the GM job back.

[_illapeeno]

Originally Posted by mesahotguy5

I think he made a very good trade for KG. Worked out for both sides. I think the Mayo trade was good because it got rid of ALL our bad contracts. The Roy trade is another thing. I would be perfectly happy with McHale as coach as long as we dont give him the GM job back.

I forgot about the bad contracts going to other way. I never liked Love I still think he's undersized and should be the 7th or 8th guy in the rotation. You can't blame McHale for passing on Roy he did have knee issues coming out of the draft and 5 other teams passed up on him who knew he'd be a superstar.

[TyKixx]

:shock: Corey Brewer was on IR and still produced as much as Sean Williams this year

[mesahotguy5]

Originally Posted by _illapeeno

I forgot about the bad contracts going to other way. I never liked Love I still think he's undersized and should be the 7th or 8th guy in the rotation. You can't blame McHale for passing on Roy he did have knee issues coming out of the draft and 5 other teams passed up on him who knew he'd be a superstar.

I think Mayo has hit his ceiling and Love has tons of potential still.

The really bad move is taking Rashad McCants over Danny Granger. :shock:

[TyKixx]

I'd say Mayo has more potential than Love.

[mesahotguy5]

Originally Posted by TyKixx

I'd say Mayo has more potential than Love.

Maybe, we'll see. I just feel its pretty easy to find a scorer while finding a big man who can crash the boards and pass is a little more rare.

[mesahotguy5]

Originally Posted by Barreh

i am not talking about the year we drafted roy. i am refering to the year the blazers won the draft lottery and selected greg oden and we ended up picking Corey Brewer :evil: :evil: :evil:

Oh yes because Greg Oden has worked out so well...

[TyKixx]

Originally Posted by mesahotguy5

Maybe, we'll see. I just feel its pretty easy to find a scorer while finding a big man who can crash the boards and pass is a little more rare.

I'll give you that, but at the end of the day if Mayo ends up an All Star combo guard and Love is just a really good role player, even if his skill set maybe a little more rare you still come out on the short end of the stick.

[mesahotguy5]

Originally Posted by TyKixx

I'll give you that, but at the end of the day if Mayo ends up an All Star combo guard and Love is just a really good role player, even if his skill set maybe a little more rare you still come out on the short end of the stick.

True but also you need to look at team needs. The Wolves have about 5 combo guards and only had Jefferson as a big.

[TyKixx]

Originally Posted by mesahotguy5

True but also you need to look at team needs. The Wolves have about 5 combo guards and only had Jefferson as a big.

I don't know about that...

Telfair, Carney, McCants, Miller, Brewer

were/are not combo guards. The only one was Foye.



Portland GM: Hey Bob. We got the 1st pick, who should we take?
Bob Knight: Jordan.
Portland GM: But we need a Center.
Bob Knight: Play him at Center.

True story. Mayo is no Jordan, but I think this story applies here.

[mesahotguy5]

Originally Posted by TyKixx

I don't know about that...

Telfair, Carney, McCants, Miller, Brewer

were/are not combo guards. The only one was Foye.



Portland GM: Hey Bob. We got the 1st pick, who should we take?
Bob Knight: Jordan.
Portland GM: But we need a Center.
Bob Knight: Play him at Center.

True story. Mayo is no Jordan, but I think this story applies here.

Foye plays the 2. Brewer plays the 2. Gomes can play the 2.

[TyKixx]

Originally Posted by mesahotguy5

Foye plays the 2. Brewer plays the 2. Gomes can play the 2.

Like I said, a single combo guard.

Foye 1/2 (appears to be more of a 2)
Brewer 2/3 (appears to be more of a 3)
Gomes 3/4 (does not play any 2)

Plus, Jefferson is really a 4 and Love is clearly not a 5 so your whole arguement is prettty hypocritical. Mayo is the more talented player with more upside. He was the right pick, but they should have held onto him.

Mayo-Foye backcourt with Telfair and Carney off the bench
Brewer-Jefferson frontcourt with Gomes and Carney off the bench

[mesahotguy5]

Originally Posted by TyKixx

Like I said, a single combo guard.

Foye 1/2 (appears to be more of a 2)
Brewer 2/3 (appears to be more of a 3)
Gomes 3/4 (does not play any 2)

Plus, Jefferson is really a 4 and Love is clearly not a 5 so your whole arguement is prettty hypocritical. Mayo is the more talented player with more upside. He was the right pick, but they should have held onto him.

Mayo-Foye backcourt with Telfair and Carney off the bench
Brewer-Jefferson frontcourt with Gomes and Carney off the bench

Brewer a 3? Are you freaking insane? He is thinner than most teams cheerleaders on the Calista Flockhart diet.

Jefferson is a 4/5. He has had no problem playing the 5. Without Love we are playing Brian Cardinal and Mark Madsen this year. Pretty ugly. Without Mayo we still have Telfair/ Carney/ Foye...not ugly.

[Imperial1]

To even contemplate trading Big Al is simply assinine. He is the only All-Star, (he really is despite not playing in the game which means nothing since it's a popularity contest,) on that team. In reality the wolves have him, and a bunch of top notch role players that would look spectacular on contenders. The trend of the NBA has dictated that in order to be a true serious contender you need at least two All-Star/MVP caliber players. Al is young though he has suffered injuries throughout his career. If the Wolves can capitalize on this draft and get even one All-Star/franchise player out of their three first round picks they immediately become a playoff team. If they can get two they become a young contender ala the Blazers. This is the most important draft in Wolves history since Garnett. Fuck this up you end up like the Celts who had 3 first and came away with Joe Johnson (traded for rubbish just to contend in the east), Kedrick Brown (Bust), Joe Forte (Bust slected instead of Tony Parker).

[TyKixx]

Originally Posted by mesahotguy5

Brewer a 3? Are you freaking insane? He is thinner than most teams cheerleaders on the Calista Flockhart diet.

Jefferson is a 4/5. He has had no problem playing the 5. Without Love we are playing Brian Cardinal and Mark Madsen this year. Pretty ugly. Without Mayo we still have Telfair/ Carney/ Foye...not ugly.

He is a long 6'7" or so with limited range and limited ball handling. There isn't always much of a difference between 2s and 3s, but either way he is certainly not a combo guard.

Jefferson holds his wait at the 5 because he is that good, but he is still a natural PF.

So because Love is better than Cardinal and Madsen that makes him better than Mayo how?

Besides, you would have been playing Smith and Gomes a ton of minutes at the 4. It is not like Cardinal or Madsen would have been playing 30-40 minutes a game.

and along the lines of what Imperial was saying...Love falls under the category of a very good role player contending teams would love to have. Wheres combine Mayo with Jefferson and you might have something, plus that would make Foye the 3rd scorer where I think he fits.

[Imperial1]

Originally Posted by TyKixx

He is a long 6'7" or so with limited range and limited ball handling. There isn't always much of a difference between 2s and 3s, but either way he is certainly not a combo guard.

Jefferson holds his wait at the 5 because he is that good, but he is still a natural PF.

So because Love is better than Cardinal and Madsen that makes him better than Mayo how?

Besides, you would have been playing Smith and Gomes a ton of minutes at the 4. It is not like Cardinal or Madsen would have been playing 30-40 minutes a game.

and along the lines of what Imperial was saying...Love falls under the category of a very good role player contending teams would love to have. Wheres combine Mayo with Jefferson and you might have something, plus that would make Foye the 3rd scorer where I think he fits.

Yea I think Mayo possibly would have been that second potential All-Star the wolves needed. I loved that pick my wolves friends loved that pick, and then McHale ripped out their hearts with a little too much Love. But there is still hope. The team plays hard and is in most games. There is some good talent. If Al is 100% next year and you get a top pick that pans out this team is right back in it and deemed one of the best young teams in the league. Knowing what i know today I would still make the KG trade, but with the contingency that we swap back Al and for KG next year.